Archive for the ‘homosexuality’ Category
In a stunning announcement, a member of the Iranian government has declared that homosexuals deserve torture and the death penalty reported Foxnews.com piggybacking on a story from The Times. Says the report:
Homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both, an Iranian leader told British MPs during a private meeting at a peace conference, The Times has learned.
Mohsen Yahyavi is the highest-ranked politician to admit that Iran believes in the death penalty for homosexuality after a spate of reports that gay youths were being hanged.
In my ongoing series of public awareness posts, I am trying to spread the peace of Islam to readers who are otherwise ignorant of the aims of this peaceful religion. The article goes on to report:
The latest row involves a woman hanged this June in the town of Gorgan after becoming pregnant by her brother. He was absolved after expressing his remorse. Britain said that this demonstrated the unequal treatment of men and women in law and breached Iran’s pledge to restrict the death penalty to the most serious crimes.
It goes on further to say:
Minutes taken by an official describe a meeting between British and Iranian MPs at the Inter-Parliamentary Union, a peace body, in May. When the Britons raised the hangings of Asqari and Marhouni, the leader of the Iranian delegation, Mr Yahyavi, a member of his parliament’s energy committee, was unflinching. He “explained that according to Islam gays and lesbianism were not permitted,” the record states. “He said that if homosexual activity is in private there is no problem, but those in overt activity should be executed [he initially said tortured but changed it to executed]. He argued that homosexuality is against human nature and that humans are here to reproduce. Homosexuals do not reproduce.”
I hope that this ongoing series proves helpful to the public about the nature of Islam and Sharia Law practitioners.
See also: Iran Hangs Two Young Homosexuals
Sodomy Laws (warning, this site includes pictures of graphic violence)
Yet another liberal interpretation of the Bible. Yet another blatant attempt to include all people without calling all people to repentence in the Name of Jesus. Contrast the words of this liberal ‘theologian’ from San Fransisco:
“I’m trying to help people understand that the Bible rightly interpreted, which I would think is through the lens of Jesus’ redemptive life and ministry … does not condemn Christian people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered,” said Rogers, according to The Lawrence Journal-World.
With the actions and words of the Catholic League concerning the Folsom Street Fair in San Fransisco:
“We have been informed by Miller Brewing that it is not prepared at this time to offer assurances that it will never again sponsor an anti-Christian event; it merely says that it is conducting an audit of its marketing policies. Accordingly, our response to Miller’s balk is as follows,” Donohue said.
“We are mailing pictures of the anti-Christian and sadomasochistic Folsom Street Fair that Miller so proudly sponsors to Milwaukee Archbishop Timothy Dolan and to the 211 Catholic parishes in the archdiocese. We want all Catholics in Milwaukee to know exactly what Miller stands for,” he said.
What am amazing contrast! Can you imagine what Muslims would do if homosexuals made a mockery of some event in their sacred history they way homosexuals have done to Christian sacred history?
This is just pathetic. If you are brave enough, take a look at the pictures (I wouldn’t recommend it, they are extremely graphic) and then you will begin to understand why there is no place for homosexuality in the Church of Jesus Christ.
In the Gospel of John, we read this story:
1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11″No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
I have no doubt whatsoever that Jesus loves people. He loves people of all stripes. He loves ‘the church and gave himself up for her’:
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
Yes, we acknowledge that Jesus Christ loved sinners and ate with them: tax collectors, ‘sinners’, prostitutes, Pharisees, fishermen, Mary, Martha, Lazarus, Peter and Paul. I fully accept the notion that Jesus accepts us for who we are, but I add this caveat in the form of a question: Does Jesus, in accepting us for who we are, permit us to stay as we are or does he demand change?
It is this question that most struggle with, and many in the evangelical church refuse to answer the question. Instead evangelicals allow their theology to be dictated and determined by cultural phenomenons, icons, or superstars: What Mel Gibson says must be the Gospel! But is this right? Is this true? Are the superstars of myspace, youtube, megachurches, hollywood, washington, D.C. the prophets who determine the boundaries of evangelical biblical theology? When Tila Tequila speaks, should we listen?
This is a significant problem in the evangelical world just now. I don’t happen to think that MTV stars and myspace celebrities are reliable sources for Biblical theology or for ecclesiastical practice. In fact, I’m not even sure why it is news when one of them says something about God or Jesus or the Bible because normally it is absolutely, unequivocally, wrong. Such is the case with the supposed phenom of myspace, Tila Tequila whose story is being partially reported at Christian Post as some sort of eye opening, Jeremiah type prophetic revelation concerning God and His Word. I’ll will note but a couple of the more significant problems with Tila’s theology of ‘Love is just love.’
First, my disclaimer, that I have never met Tila, I’ve only heard of her just today, I don’t watch MTV because I only have basic cable, I’m not one of her ‘friends’ at her myspace (of which it is reported she has 2 million!), and I only visited her myspace (which I won’t link to) twice (reading her blog). Second, it should be stated up front that Tila is a self acknowledged bi-sexual who will begin hosting a show on MTV called ‘A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila’ in which 32 straight men and lesbians will compete for her affections (I guess). OK, here’s some thoughts.
Although acknowledging that the show would raise controversy, she wrote, “I just want to say that I am truly blessed to have had an opportunity to share with the world and teach the world that it is OK to be who you are! Gay or not! So thank you MTV for giving me this opportunity.”
Well, this is patently wrong. It is not OK to be who we are otherwise God would have found no offense, would not have declared his coming wrath against all ungodliness, and there would have been no place for the cross. Fact is, there is no sin apart from sinners and there is no room for sin in this world that belongs to God. This is, then, false doctrine. The story above from John 8 declares: I do not condemn you, but leave your life of sin. We are not free to remain in the stranglehold of sin that Jesus died to set us free from. No doubt we are loved; no doubt it is that we might be set free from sin and set free to serve God in holiness. Part of the reason He gives the Spirit is to sanctify us, that is, make us holy. If God were satisfied with who we are, why would he demand that we change? Strike one against Tila’s theology.
Second, she says:
“Growing up, I felt like I had no one to turn to in times of need, who would be there for me with open arms without judgment when I felt hopeless,” Tequila wrote. “I lived in a lonely shattered world and tried to commit suicide quite a few times from a very young and tender age starting at 11 [years] to 22 years of age.
“That is until I made amends with God,” she added.
Tequila said she didn’t meet God in a church, which she had avoided going to with her “‘gay’ problems.” And she didn’t meet the God worshipped by churches that preached condemnation. Instead, she said she made amends with “the God that I can feel and hear in my own heart.”
Well, I certainly feel for the girl who, according to the story, “built her celebrity status online with racy photos and videos, Tila merchandise and album singles.” OK. I wonder, then, if God accepts those who are interested in pornography, those who flaunt their sexuality in order to turn a profit, those who engage in activities that the Scripture clearly condemns? Still, there is sympathy. I feel for her that she was so lonely that she attempted suicide ‘quite a few times.’ Who wouldn’t? I’m sorry she met churches that only condemned and didn’t attempt to teach about forgiveness in the Name of Jesus. Sadly, I don’t think Tila made amends with the God of the Scripture, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. No, I’m afraid she did not.
Sadly, she says that she ‘didn’t meet God in a church.’ Where else is she going to meet God? God has appointed the church to be a kingdom of priests. So writes Peter:
9But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”
Where else is one to meet this God? Who else has such a privilege? Who else has God appointed for such a task of declaring his good news, of having ‘beautiful feet’, of preaching? (Romans 10) No one. That’s the whole point. For better or worse, God had chosen the Church to be the repository of His grace and good news. It is in the Church, which is made up of people, that God has hidden treasures in jars of clay. The Church has its flaws–no one can dispute that. But in spite of its flaws God continues to accomplish his Gospel work through that Church, the Body of Christ. Strike two against Tila’s theology.
Third, she said:
“I stopped feeling bad about myself because I was told that I was a ‘bad’ person for whatever reasons and opinions,” Tequila explained. “That’s when I turned my life around. I accepted me for who I am in all my glory. I accepted the fact that God would love me as long as my heart is good.”
I agree that God judges the heart. There’s another problem though. It is this:
The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
10 “I the LORD search the heart
and examine the mind,
to reward everyone according to their conduct,
according to what their deeds deserve.”
There’s another problem: “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” The problem, clearly, is that we don’t have good hearts. Our intentions are never right. We are like those in the days of Noah whose hearts were only evil all the time. We can’t trust our hearts. Strike three.
Fourth, she said (all of these quotes are in the Christian Post story as written by Tila at her myspace site):
“The church should understand that they have a higher responsibility to teach the youth about unconditional love, and how we can spread the love, not why being gay is a bad thing,” she wrote.
This is simply not true at any level and it is quite presumptuous for a 25 year old soft-core porn star, mtv starlet, and myspace celeb to presume to tell the church what its responsibility is in this world. In fact, the only person who has a right to tell the church what the church should do, what the church should understand, and what the church’s responsibility is in this world is Jesus Christ–and He has in the Scripture. The church has no such responsibility to to teach the youth about unconditional love, spreading love. Nor does the church have a right to teach the youth things that are contrary to Scripture–especially when it comes to homosexuality. Sin is sin and Tila Tequila does not get to dictate the parameters of what is and is not: Scripture does.
The church has a responsibility to proclaim the Good News of Jesus Christ and in that respect love is not necessarily unconditional. Love carries with it responsibilities. One, for example, is to submit to the Lordship of Jesus. It demands repentance. The sort of love God calls us to is a ‘believing’ love, that is, we must believe in Jesus–and all that he teaches. We don’t have a right to leave anything out of the Gospel. The sort of love we are called to is a ‘love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind’ love ‘and your neighbor as yourself.’ It is not a free-for-all-do-whatever-you-want sort of love. Strike four. (See I was kind, I gave her an extra strike!)
Something else that is missing from this report is any mention of Jesus. She said:
“[N]ow that I’ve endured all of that pain, maybe God put me on this path so that I would be able to share with everyone else who may be going through the same things?”
Or, perhaps God ‘put’ her on this path so that others might not go down the same path. Tila Tequila is a porn star (I don’t know if she makes movies or not, but her pictures are certainly on that track). And she is not someone anyone should be signing up to take theology classes from. She is not, and I don’t think she is claiming to be, in any way a Christian: not an evangelical, not a biblical, not a Catholic, Baptist, or anything else. Frankly, I’m a bit surprised that CP even did the story. There is no mention of Jesus. A lot of talk about God, a lot of criticism of the church, a lot of criticism of Christians; no mention of Jesus. Strike Five! It is impossible to avoid what Jesus says about the God who sent Him to earth, about the God who loves, about the God who demands our perfection, and about the God who, through His Spirit, makes us perfect. It is impossible to mention God’s love without mentioning the sort of love that God demonstrates for people: sacrificial, holy love.
But this goes to show what can happen to a person’s theology when it is not in any way grounded in the Word of God. Our path, our direction, our theology, must come from Scripture. I feel badly for all those who have heard her mention ‘God’ who will now think it is OK to participate in her television and internet shows. My friend Jason Goroncy posted this from PT Forsyth at his blog the other day. It captures beautifully my point:
‘The great Word of Gospel is not God is love. That is too stationary, too little energetic. It produces a religion unable to cope with crises. But the Word is this—Love is omnipotent for ever because it is holy. That is the voice of Christ-raised from the midst of time, and its chaos, and its convulsions, yet coming from the depths of eternity, where the Son dwells in the bosom of the Father, the Son to whom all power is given in heaven and on earth because He overcame the world in a Cross holier than love itself, more tragic, more solemn, more dynamic than all earth’s wars. The key to history is the historic Christ above history and in command of it, and there is no other’. Peter T. Forsyth, The Justification of God: Lectures for War-Time on a Christian Theodicy (London: Independent Press, 1957), 217
We need to be well aware of the false gospels that are making the rounds. Tila Tequila is another example of someone who talks a lot about God, but knows nothing about theology–or Scripture. We do well to ignore her.
I have no doubt that God accepts sinners because if he didn’t, no one could be saved. However, I do also believe that God does not intend for us to stay that way or else he would not have sent Jesus to earth to die on the Cross. The Cross is proof enough of that. Go now, and leave your life of sin. Love is not ‘just love.’ Love is holy and it is clearly defined in Scripture by pointing us to the cross of Christ. “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Love devoid of truth is meaningless. Tia Tequilas love, just from looking at her myspace, is anything but godly, and nothing remotely close to biblical. Again, we do well to avoid her definitions of ’god’, ‘love’, and ‘church.’
Soli Deo Gloria!
(**WARNING**: The story is offensive and graphic. Use extreme caution.)
The protagonist in this story says:
“I want religion to stop taking society and the vulnerable for idiots,” the 59-year-old artist, Stig Ramsing, told the online version of Helsingborgs Dagblad newspaper.
How did he do just that?
A Swedish artist unveiled Tuesday a sculpture depicting Christ as a well-endowed dog, saying he wanted to stimulate debate about religion and freedom of expression in the wake of a row over cartoons of the prophet Mohammed, Swedish media reported.
Uh, right. This will go a long way towards “religion [not] taking society and the vulnerable for idiots.” Wait, did he say he doesn’t want us to take him for an idiot or that he wants us to take him for an idiot? I’m not sure. Where’s Mr. Donohue and the Catholic League?!? This cinches it for me: Society and the vulnerable (READ: inconsequential artists from Sweden) are no longer idiots.
Furthermore, I agree: this will certainly stir debate. The debate will go something like this:
Did you hear about that Sweedish artist who can’t draw?
Yes, I did. He’s a sculptor right?
Right. And a moron. And an offensive nincompoop. And, evidently, he’s on the Sweedish debate team.
No. I think he’s a genius. He’s just saying what we atheists have believed all along.
No, he’s a moron who has no artistic talent and has to resort to mockery to get some attention for his otherwise non-existent career as an artist.
No, he’s great.
No, he’s not.
And so on and so forth. Is this really the best way to spark a debate? Wouldn’t a better way to start a debate be to say something like:
Atheists lead hopeless, meaningless lives that will eventually end in death at which time they will most certainly meet the God they have denied all their lives?
“The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.’ They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.’” (Psalm 14:1; Atheists love when Christians cite their myths (Scripture).)
“Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.” And apart from faith in Jesus, atheists and all others will be completely lost?
Yes, I think that is a much better way to spark a debate. Anyone can put a crucifix in piss, or paint Mary Magdalene naked or depict the Last Supper as a homosexual S & M festival or paint a dog on a cross with ‘enormous sexual organs.’ Seriously, one must be profoundly intelligent, supremely in-tune with the earth’s rotation, and abundantly gifted with artistic talent. Move over Da Vinci! Move over Van Gogh! Move over Monet! And all the rest of you: The Swedish artists are on their way up!
Gosh, atheists are so pathetic. (Not you Joe and certainly not my friend Jeff. But all the rest of you Swedish atheists are certainly a lot of bother.) Seriously, is that really the best they’ve got?
Friends, (**WARNING**: If you click the link to this story, and you are a Christian, you are likely to be highly offended at the picture that is shown about half-way down the page. You’ve been warned.)
I don’t even know where to begin with this story. It involves, again, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League and something referred to as the ‘Folsom Street Fair.’ I am simply aghast. I really don’t know which is worse: That the Folsom Street Fair features people making mockery of the Christian faith:
The annual street event, which includes displays of nudity and sexual activity, is scheduled for Sept. 30. It describes its mission as organizing “world-class volunteer driven leather events, providing the adult alternative lifestyle community safe venues for self-expression, emphasizing freedom, fun and frolic, while raising money to benefit San Francisco charities.”
Or that fact that Mr. Donohue is concerned because Miller Brewing company is a sponsor of the event.
Responding to pressure from Christian groups, the Miller Brewing Co. is asking organizers of a “gay” street celebration in San Francisco to remove its logo from a promotional poster portraying Jesus Christ and his disciples as “half-naked homosexual sadomasochists.”
I’m not sure, seriously, why Mr Donohue cares that a Beer company is advertising at this festival. Is Mr Donohue threatening Miller Brewing by intimating that if they don’t stop advertising all the Christian Beer drinkers out there might stop drinking their beer? Well, it appears so:
Donohue said Miller’s subsidy of the “Sisters” could prompt a boycott and further exposure of what the event is all about, including photographs from recent years. “This is the most morally depraved, bigoted segment of gay population,” Donohue said of the anti-Catholic group.
And yet, homosexuals want to be included as part of the orthodox church of Jesus Christ. They want to be included as a normal representation of something lovely because it involves love. Now I know that not all homosexuals are involved in this fair, and not all of them are ‘Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.’ Still, this is homosexuality. It is rather difficult to make a distinction between one group and the other.
Anyhow, I guess this means, for all you Christians out there, that you should stop drinking Miller Beer (as if any of us do anyhow; can you say, ‘Bud’?) But all joking aside, it is stuff like this that persuades people like me that homosexuality is exactly what we’ve been saying it is: Sin. As such, it has no place whatsoever in the church.
PS–Just for the record, I do agree with Mr. Donohue. This is quite an abomination. I just don’t think calling for only Miller Brewing to remove its ad is the best idea since there are obviously many others advertising on the bottom of the post. Still, I am glad that he is out there drawing people’s attention to the obscenity and perversion that is homosexualism in America. On the other hand, this is similar to the KG case. We may not like what they are saying, but in America, God Bless her, they have a right to say it. I just wish so many people would quit listening.
According to a report at ChristianPost it is getting a little safer to watch television these days. I’ll leave it up to you to decide if you actually want to watch television anyhow.
When I visit ‘pinknews’ I usually do so because I’m curious to see how the homosexual world is spreading their propaganda in the church and towards young people. There’s usually plenty of that going around and today I was not disappointed at all.
There was something else that caught my attention, though, too. Do you remember that episode of Seinfeld where they had a ‘high talker’? It was a hilarious episode. Well, now it is real life and the ‘high talker‘ is threatening to sue! The article says:
Mr O’Brien, a law lecturer from Leeds, the officially complained to the bank, who admitted in writing that:
“Having passed our security requirements you were transferred to an operator who garnered the impression the individual accessing your account was female.”
And then, he complained! Look, this is no crackback against homosexuals. Seriously, this is just downright hilarious. A gay man who talks like a woman is offended that someone thought he was someone he is not. I know people are going to be mad that I’m writing this, but this is just funny. And I can’t get that episode of Seinfeld out of my head.
His partner, a man, said (in part):
“Just because a man has a high-pitched voice, does that mean it’s a woman? They’re labelling it. They’re saying, “You’re not who you say you are.”"
Fact is, they did accept him for who he is, they just didn’t believe it. I would think he would be thankful to the bank for being concerned enough to protect his money and his identity. Seriously, now any woman in the country could call up and access his money (if they have any of his information). He ought to be thanking the bank.
Oh, here’s the indoctrination of children by homosexuals story.
Here’s the homosexuality and religion story.
And here’s one more anti-Christian homosexual story.
I wonder why, when I read stories about homosexuals, I never read about how Muslims feel about homosexuals? Why do I only ever hear about how Christians feel about homosexuals? I wonder if Islam tolerates homosexuality? I wonder why it is that homosexuals are so concerned that the Bible be re-written for their convenience? Seriously, what does Islam say about homosexuality? (I’m being serious, because I don’t know.) Are there any homosexual groups trying to re-write the Qu’ran so that it makes homosexuality an acceptable aspect of Islam?
Have a nice day!
ps-I’m serious about my questions concerning homsexualism and Islam.
As a brief aside. I wonder if it is ironic that the two people who are arguing with me the most are both named Jo(h)n?
One Jon is arguing that we evolved from nothing or something. I don’t know which. Today I have a reply in which he is praying to an English muffin! At least he is praying to something. That’s a lot more than he has been doing. I’ll take it! I think I’m making progress with Jon. I also think Jon is losing it. He’s evolving into a monster who cannot control his anger and his angst against Christ is becoming rather mutated. Just read his replies and you’ll see what I mean.
The other John is arguing that homosexuality is OK with God. His arguments are scatterbrained and have nothing to do with Scripture except to, to borrow and evolutionary term, mutate it and corrupt it. He says that’s OK though: What matters is love and experience! This John is beyond even reason and I cannot even allow his replies to be posted any longer because they are getting vulgar. Evidently homosexuality is part of evolutionary progress. Eventually, when everyone is a homosexual, the human race will die out completely and a new species will evolve and take over the planet. This would make Jon happy.
I’m beginning to wonder if perhaps these two are not one and the same. One denies Scripture altogether and mocks it when he can (today he called Jesus the ‘fairy king’); the other makes a mockery of it by denying it altogether. I don’t know what to make of these two. I didn’t invite either of them here and yet they keep coming back. My hope is that while they are here they will learn about Jesus and hear the Gospel and hopefully repent of their sin, confess Christ as Lord, and join in the Worship of the Almighty God. My hope is that they will give their lives over to Christ and inherit salvation. My hope is that they will be forgiven of their sins and serve God.
I’m asking for those of you who visit here today to pray for Jon and John. It has become evident to me that these men both need to hear the Gospel of Christ even more. I’m being serious. These two men, who both arrived here by no invitation of mine, but rather, I suspect, by a prompting of the Holy Spirit, need Jesus in their lives. Please Join me in praying for their quite lost souls.
sadly and yet hopeful,
ps–Jon, the evolatheist, in a reply the other day, actually admitted that Jesus was a real historical figure. I quoted what Jesus said (“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life”) and Jon said, “Jesus lied.” Hey, between his prayers to English muffins, and his confession of an historical Jesus, I believe the Lord is making progress in John’s life. He also told me he went to a ‘Private Christian School’ as a boy. It was there he evidently lost his faith. Keep praying for Jon. I’m still hopeful that he will return to the fold.
As for the other John, well…I’m uncertain about him because he’s convinced that homosexuals will inherit the Kingdom. His kind of denial is perhaps worse than that of Jon.
Homosexuals are continuing to push their agenda on the church, the body, of which Christ is the Head. I’ll pass you along to some other places in a moment, but first consider these words from Luke Timothy Johnson, Roman Catholic Scholar at Candler School of Theology at Emory University: (CLICK HERE FOR THE ESSAY)
Many of us who stand for the full recognition of gay and lesbian persons within the Christian communion find ourselves in a position similar to that of the early abolitionists-and of the early advocates for women’s full and equal roles in church and society. We are fully aware of the weight of scriptural evidence pointing away from our position, yet place our trust in the power of the living God to reveal as powerfully through personal experience and testimony as through written texts. To justify this trust, we invoke the basic Pauline principle that the Spirit gives life but the letter kills (2 Corinthians 3:6). And if the letter of Scripture cannot find room for the activity of the living God in the transformation of human lives, then trust and obedience must be paid to the living God rather than to the words of Scripture. (Emphasis added)
Then a paragraph or two later:
The challenge, therefore, is to discern what constitutes the positive and negative in sexual behavior. A start would be to adapt Galatians 3:28 and state that “in Christ there is neither gay nor straight”-and on that basis, to begin to ask serious questions concerning the holiness of the church, applying the same criteria on both sides. If porneia among heterosexuals includes promiscuity, violence, and exploitation, then the church must condemn similar forms of homosexual activity. If the church condemns the bath-house style of gay life, it must also condemn the playboy style of straight life. Similarly, if holiness among heterosexuals includes fidelity, chastity, modesty, and fruitfulness, we can ask whether and how the same elements are present in same-sex love.
What is left but to chuck the entire canon of Scripture into the garbage heap and burn it? If Scripture doesn’t mean anything, why bother at all? If Scripture can be re-written to say anything we like, why bother at all with the work of preaching, teaching, or learning Biblical languages? Johnson is right about one thing: This is about the threat to biblical authority. If the Scriptures are not authoritative, but somehow we regress to a simply man-made law, then what’s next: Church-wide acceptance of kidnapping, bestiality, pedophilia? Based on Johnson’s argument, and re-envisioning of Galatians, we might say, “…in Christ there is neither pedophilia nor rapists nor bestials nor kidnappers nor dog-fighters (insert favorite perversion or sin here).”
No, I’m afraid that Mr. Johnson has allowed his understanding of Scripture to be skewed and twisted. More commentary on Johnson’s essay can be found at Albert Mohler’s blog. Mohler makes a brilliant point about Johnson’s exegesis, writing,
This rejectionist approach means that Professor Johnson directly rejects what the Bible teaches on this issue, and does so with a boldness shared by few others in this debate. He accepts that “the Bible nowhere speaks positively or even neutrally about same-sex love.” Even as he argues that the church has “never lived in precise accord with the Scriptures,” he suggests that Christians pick and choose which biblical commands they will take seriously. Nevertheless, he straightforwardly acknowledges that the Bible condemns same-sex sexual acts.
He claims that the authority of Scripture and the tradition of the church are “scarcely trivial,” but criticizes those “who use the Bible as a buttress for rejecting forms of sexual love they fear or cannot understand.” In other words, he argues that those who believe that the Bible’s clear condemnations of homosexual behaviors are still authoritative for Christians do so only out of fear or a lack of understanding of homosexuality itself. As he explains later in his essay, he has grown by experience to overcome this fear and ignorance. He now believes that the Bible is simply wrong.
Well, how can one consider themselves even remotely Biblically astute when they are practicing such exegesis as Johnson is? Are we really supposed to start trusting ‘human experience’ over the Scripture? Really?
Here’s one last story for you to consider, from the Episcopal Church. Once again, they are pushing the issue of the homosexual agenda forward with the nomination of an openly lesbian for the post of bishop:
The Episcopal Diocese of Chicago recently announced that the openly gay Rev. Tracey Lind, dean of Trinity Cathedral in Cleveland, was included among five nominees for the vote to take place on Nov. 10. (CLICK HERE FOR FULL STORY)
I’m not certain what the church is supposed to do about this anymore. When prominent scholars are declaring open season on the Scripture, when an entire denomination is promoting the agenda of homosexuals by making homosexuals leaders in the church, when those who think this is profoundly wrong are chastised as being somehow ‘too judgmental,’ and when church leaders are vowing to ‘enter into civil unions’ with their homosexual partners, what are we to do?
Mohler asks another very pertinent question concerning Johnson’s template for how to understand the current ‘debate’ that is raging in the church over homosexuality:
If we are to trust human experience as an authority superior to that of the Bible, whose experience are we to trust? He can only mean his own experience and that of others whose experience he chooses to privilege.
Whose experience shall we trust? Mine? Yours? I think this is another reason why we must stick with Scripture as our only rule of faith and practice (in keeping with recognized orthodoxy). If the Scripture is the very Words of God to us, then we don’t have a right to challenge. We must persist in the truth. This is a matter of the authority of God’s Word. The question now is whether or not the church is going to continue to be bowled over by those who have no authority from Scripture or whether the church will continue to preach what is in accord with the ‘faith once delivered,’ and ‘sound doctrine.’
PS–Here’s one last story about a lesbian ‘pastor’ who is, evidently, in some sort of ‘trouble’ from her denomination for ‘marrying’ homosexual couples. But I’m having trouble understanding the problem: She, the Rev. Jane Adams Spahr, is a lesbian herself. Why would they (the church) care what a lesbian does when the tolerate a lesbian in the pulpit in the first place? I think that is the height of hypocrisy. Shame on the Presbyterian Church (USA)! If they are going to tolerate lesbian ‘pastors’ and ‘revs.’, then they ought to tolerate lesbian weddings. (I’m only being a little sarcastic; no, a lot.)
The perversion, feminization, and death of the church continues in America. Gene Robinson is a downright abomination to the Church.
He is now planning a ‘civil union’. He said:
“We were looking for a three-day weekend which would allow people to travel more easily, and that happened to be the fifth anniversary of my election as the Bishop of New Hampshire and thought that would be an appropriate date,” said Robinson, according to the Church of England Newspaper.
There is one voice of reason:
The archbishop of Nigeria, the Most Rev. Peter Akinola, considered the most powerful leader in the Anglican Communion, said the absence of even one province from the meeting would indicate that the Lambeth Conference “effectively ceases to be an Instrument of Unity.”
“I believe that Peter Akinola, the Archbishop of Nigeria, one of the primary spokespeople against my election, I believe he is following his call from God as best as he can,” Robinson said in the interview. “I just wish he could believe I am following my call from God as best I can.”
I’d like to know where God said in Scipture: Follow me as best you can directly into sin. What about that part in Scripture that says: “Those who in Christ are new creatures.” What about ‘taking off the old self, putting on the new self, which is being recreated in the image of its Creator’? What about ‘be holy as I am holy’? What about ‘be perfect as I am perfect’? What about ‘clothing oneself with Christ’?
I’m encouraged by how many folks have been stopping by and reading the blog. Anyhow, this is a short post to encourage you who read to also post a reply. Most of the time, I respond to replies, sometimes not. Either way, you are encouraged to interract with the posts I make and let me know what you think.
I think it is fair to say that I don’t agree with evolutionists, atheists, homosexuals, or liberal theologians, but this doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy a good spirited argument every now and again. So I especially encourage folks holding to those positions to reply. Just be warned: I believe the Bible is Truth, so be prepared to defend your position if you don’t think the Bible is Truth. Please feel free to leave your thoughts anytime you like, whether for or against, and let’s continue the conversation.
I’ll be posting again later on this afternoon after some sermon and lesson writing for this weekend.
PS–One more thought. If you are a Christian who holds to evolution, atheism, liberal theolgy, or homosexuality, I really encourage you to reply. I really want to talk with you!
All I did was type in the search box ‘Church News’. I ended up at the homepage of the United Church of Christ. I had some trouble at their page with a story I wanted to read so I went right to the source, the homepage of the Cathedral of Hope, located in Dallas, Texas. This ‘church’ bills itself as the ‘world’s largest gay church.’ In August they hosted a comprehensive sexuality education curriculum series designed to ‘train educators to teach human sexuality to 7-9th grades.’ (You can find this info at their page link above near the bottom of the page.)
But Wait! There’s More!
Dallas, Texas – August 12, 2007 – The Cathedral of Hope, known as the world’s largest gay church, announced today that it received $3,135,484.48 in cash and commitments toward its “Miracle Offering,” taken in order to build an Interfaith Peace Chapel designed by world-renowned architect Philip Johnson. The offering, taken on Sunday, July 29 in celebration of the church’s 37th anniversary, was given as the culmination of a yearlong “Miracle Project” and is the largest offering in the church’s history. Gifts were made by people living in three countries, 32 states and 98 cities in Texas.
Said the Rector of the “Church”
“Members and friends of the Cathedral of Hope have prayed, saved, sacrificed and worked hard to make the Miracle Project a success,” said Rector and Senior Pastor Rev. Dr. Jo Hudson. “The real miracle, though, is this congregation’s continued commitment to serve our community by giving away more than one million dollars every year in goods and services while living into a God-given dream of creating a house of prayer and peace for all people, regardless of their faith.”
They have all the bases covered. I’d like to know where in Scripture it says that there is fellowship between Christian’s and people of ‘other faiths’? What exactly is a ‘gay church’? There is only one Church.
What I don’t understand, quite apart from the tolerance of homosexuality, is the house of prayer and peace for all people, regardless of their faith? What Muslim in his right mind would worship with a Christian? What Jew in his right mind would worship with a Muslim? What Mormon would worship with a Jehovah’s Witness? What Buddhist would worship with a Hindu? What Christian would worship with any of these pagan unbelievers?
What part of “There is no way to the Father except through Me (Jesus)” is difficult to understand? What part of “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life” is complicated? What is mysterious about “There is One Name given to men by which they must be saved”? Has the good pastor Jo actually read the part of Scripture that says, “the homosexual will not inherit the kingdom of God”? Has she read that part that says “Be holy, for I am holy”? Have they read that part that says, “There is no fellowship between Christ and Belial, light and dark”? Seriously. What are we to do with those passages in Scripture God says that the only way to Salvation is through the Son? What are we to do with those passages that say “if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation”? Or, “we must put off the old self, and put on the new”? Or, “repent”?
And, on top of that, 3.1 million dollars to build a meaningless building while Christians in the Middle East are being killed for their faith.
And we wonder what is wrong with the church in America. Did you see that story I linked to last night, the one about Rwandans?
Read this story and tell me what is wrong with it:
I listened to a lecture by David Wells today, “The Disappearance of Evangelical Theology, pt 2″. It was an amazing lecture touching on many key points that have led to the demise in Evangelical Christians being taken seriously.
At one point he comments about how ‘worldliness’ has managed to find a home in, of all places, the church: “Our world has made normal the values of our fallenness. Worldliness in any culture is the centering of man and the exiling of God and His Truth. It makes sin look normal, and righteousness strange.” (A bit of that is paraphrase, but it captures the heart of his comments.)
This is, I think, what is going on in the church when it comes to homosexuality. Homosexuals began by wanting to have the freedom to ‘come out of the closet’ (much like Richard Dawkins is now encouraging atheists to do). Once they are ‘out’, they want radical normalization to take place. This includes, special rights, insistance on not be discriminated against simply because they are homosexuals, and they want to ‘educate’ which means ‘evangelize.’ (Seinfeld made a joke about this one time. He said something like, “I’ll bet that’s one of the selling points when they’re recruiting” (He was talking about clothing. But even he, tongue in cheek to be sure, recognized an underlying current.)
Well, in our culture, homosexuality has been rather successfully normalized and now their is a popular trend of indoctrination. I seriously doubt anyone is going to stop this, but this one thing I must say. It must stop in the church. Here’s what we read:
A day after the nation’s largest Lutheran denomination voted to encourage its bishops to practice “restraint” in disciplining gay ministers who are in “faithful” same-sex relationships, St. John’s Lutheran Church – Atlanta’s oldest Lutheran church – celebrated Sunday the continuing pastorship of the Rev. Bradley Schmeling.
Earlier this year, Schmeling, who announced that he found a lifelong gay companion, was ordered to be removed immediately from the clergy roster. The order by the Committee on Appeals overruled an earlier decision by a disciplinary committee which said Schmeling should be allowed to remain on the clergy roster until after ELCA’s biennial churchwide assembly, Aug. 6-12. The committee also suggested that ELCA reinstate gay clergy who were removed or resigned because they were in a same-sex “lifelong partnership.”
Despite the removal, Schmeling refused to leave St. John’s and said he planned to continue to follow his call in ministry there.
Furthermore, although the gay clergy debate was expected to come up in 2009, Schmeling was a major part of the push at this year’s assembly to lift the ban on non-celibate homosexual clergy. By
Christian Post Reporter
Tue, Aug. 14 2007 01:00 PM ET
The homosexuals in the church are becoming more and more militant. Lest I be construed as a bigot, allow me to say that culturally there is not much anyone can do, but the church is not defined culturally. It is defined by Jesus Christ. Homosexuality has been far to rationalized, normalized, and too many have been evangelized and indoctrinated for the culture to turn back. However, in the church, this has got to stop. Who is going to take a stand? When will the church realize that this is damnation in the house of God, judgment from God? When will people realize that just because the culture normalizes sin doesn’t mean that it is no longer sin? In Wells’ words, quoting Yeats, we have lost the center. This is man-centered doctrines advancing forcefully, and the church is welcoming it in with a smile and the right hand of fellowship.
If Islam doesn’t do it first, homosexuality will be the undoing of the evangelical church in the United States.
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers. And it is for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me. (1 Timothy 1:8-11, TNIV)
Lord have mercy on your people! Lord forgive! Forgive! And yet, Lord, purify your church! There is no compatibility between homosexuality and the Church of Jesus Christ.
1″I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them. 7Therefore Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
It’s a world of liars and thieves out there. Sometimes it’s hard to tell one from the other. Who should we listen to? Whom should we follow? How can we tell the difference between the good ones and the bad ones? Jesus begins, he says, by telling us the truth. From that point we can gather a lot of information. First, it means he is not telling us a lie. Second, he is putting his statement out for anyone to test. Third, and this is perhaps the most significant, he tells us the truth about ourselves. We, I hate to say it, are not a very pretty lot. There is a lot that he says about us in this Gospel. We are not sights for sore eyes. We are, actually, quite a pathetic group of people—something akin to sheep. Perhaps we would rather not hear the truth about ourselves. Jesus said that people hated him because he told the truth. I don’t suppose us moderns are any more interested in hearing that the things we are inclined to do are evil, worthy of hell, and cost Jesus his life. Nah. Who wants to hear that? If we do, we might be accountable for what we have heard.
And we live in an age where the only god we answer to lives inside our shoes: Me. Sadly, this is the sort of preaching that is being done today as well. There is a large movement going on inside the church right now, being headed up by ‘Executive Pastors’, that is designed to eliminate any such preaching of the truth; that is, the Jesus of Scripture. This takes many different forms. It takes the form of preachers who are more interested in teaching a sort psychological gospel. It takes the form of preachers who want to preach a watered down Gospel that includes no call for repentance from sin, not facing up to the fact of God’s impending judgment, not pointing to the Holiness and Righteousness of God. Instead, we have preachers, indeed entire denominations, repressing the truth, exchanging the truth of God for lies, and actually approving of those who sin.
But all those who are not Jesus are liars and thieves, robbers, mere hirelings who care nothing about the sheep and only about themselves. And all those shepherds who do not follow in His footsteps are liars, thieves, robbers, and hirelings. They have no share in the Righteousness of God. Yet these are the ones we seem inclined to entrust ourselves to, to follow, to listen to. As we will see in chapter 18 of John, we sheep are much more interested in listening to the lie than we are the truth. Sad lot we are!
Take this example:
The largest Lutheran body in the nation caused a stir Saturday after controversially deciding not to punish homosexual clergy who are in sexual relationships.
At its annual assembly, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) passed by a vote of 538-431 a resolution urging bishops to refrain from disciplining pastors who are in “faithful committed same-gender relationships”.
A day earlier, attendees voted down a measure that would have ended a ban on non-celibate gay clergy. Saturday’s vote, however, means those who violate that policy can no longer be tried or punished.
“The Church … has just said ‘Do not do punishments’. That is huge,” commented Phil Soucy, spokesman for Lutherans Concerned, a gay-lesbian rights group within ELCA.
The 4.8-million member church body had previously allowed gays to serve as pastors, but only under the condition that they abstained from any sexual relations. (From www.christianpost.com, http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070812/28866_Lutherans_Urged_Not_to_Punish_Gay_Clergy_in_%27Faithful%27_Relationships.htm)
There is a picture accompanying this article. It shows those members who are voting on this issue in prayer, praying. One must wonder, after such a decision has been reached, to what or whom these people were actually praying. They were not praying to the God of Scripture who opposes sin at every possible instance. Thankfully, there was some sense spoken:
The Rev. Mark Chavez, leader of Lutheran CORE, a group that says non-celibate gays should not serve as pastors, called the decision “tragic.”
“This decision will be an excuse for bishops to disobey ELCA policy,” he said. “This decision does not reflect the will of the people, but of bishops and clergy who disregard God’s word.”
Jesus said that his sheep would never listen to or obey the voice of a stranger. The sheep ‘will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.’ Is this only so clear to me? What is going on in the church? What is going on in the Body of Christ when people start condoning sin? Just exactly whose voice are these people listening to because it is not the voice of the Jesus of Scripture!
Jesus said, “I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.” There’s only one gate. His Name is Jesus. This means that we have to ‘play’ by his rules. We can’t expect to follow some other path and get in, and those who think they can are nothing more than brigands, criminals, robbers—none of whom have the best interest of the sheep in mind: ‘The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.’ These false gates and shepherds evidently do not even realize that they are killing the flock, destroying the sheep, stealing that which belongs to Christ.
Jesus said, “I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” Not so the others. Not so at all. Jesus’ statement means that there is no other place to find life. Let me put it another way. There are only two things we can have or seek: Life or death. If Jesus came to give us life to the full, then shall we not expect that all others have come to give us death to the full? Do people yet realize that the church is being pillaged and savaged by people who do not have the interest of the church in mind, people who do not have the things of God in mind?
We have much to repent of, and the Scripture says that judgment begins with the house of God:
“For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” (1 Peter 4:17, NIV).
I fear these churches are listening to bad shepherds, false shepherds, liars, thieves, robbers, hirelings whose interests are not the Lords. Friends, the church belongs to Christ Jesus, not us. He is the Head of the Church. From what I can tell, this is the beginning of judgment: Every time a church passes this sort of resolution justifying, perpetuating, and condoning sin, the judgment is exposed. Soon the Lampstands will be removed. Does the Scripture say that Christ walks among His church for no reason (Revelation 1:12-16)? Are these churches really being so careless? Do they really think that the Good Shepherd doesn’t care about His sheep?
This is a very troubling development. Troubling indeed.
God have mercy!
Soli Deo Gloria!