To My Evolutionary Friends

Friends,

I have been enduring the mindless gibberish of a couple of my atheistic, evolutionary friends lately. They continue to visit my blog even though they are quite aware of the fact that I’m not about to give any credence to the theory of evolution. So, since our conversation has been taking place on a ‘back lot’ of my blog, I thought I’d put a few questions here on the main page for them to see. These are in no particular order of importance.

First, would you please interact with the essay by Freman Dyson that I posted earlier.

Second, (for Dan) why do you feel sorry for me? I’m the one with hope. I don’t really need your sympathy. Seriously, I’m not the one who is going to die someday and simply die. I’m already alive and will be long after you have ceased breathing.

Third, (for Dan) how does my use of particular inventions prove that we have ‘descended with modification’ from anything? What does my use of medicine or computers or running water for that matter have to do with proving anything evolves? All it tells me is that curious people have tinkered around with their environment and made some cool stuff that makes life slightly less complicated. (Although, I should also point out that science has given us nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, hazardous waste, cloning, and a hoste of other things that are in no way beneficial, or at least only moderately, superficially beneficial, to humans.)

Fourth, if evolution is so evident, why do so many people, including many, many scientists, reject it out of hand? And why do so many argue, much better than I (and with supporting, logical, factual evidence) that evolution is a fraud?

Fifth, if evolution is so evident, why have some scientists felt the need to perpetuate it, from time to time, with lies, fraudulent fossil ‘evidence,’ and other suspicious ‘evidence’?

Sixth, (for Dan) do you mean, with reference to heliocentrism, that the world does not revolve around you? Well, if that’s the case, then of course I believe in heliocentrism! (Oh, I’m just kidding. Of course the earth goes round the sun. Only really shallow people don’t believe that.) However, what does that have to do with proving evolution again? (Seriously, Dan and the rest of you evolutionists need to lighten up a bit. If you would learn how to laugh at yourselves you’d have a lot more fun blogging.)

Seventh, for all, I want all of you evolutionists who are so angry at people who believe in Genesis 1 (and all the other chapters and books of the Bible) to know this one thing: I’m not nearly as offended at your acceptance of something as ridiculous as evolution as I am at your rejection of Christ. (And please, all you ‘christian evolutionists’, spare me your drivel. I’ve already explained how I feel about that nonsense and if my point doesn’t stick, ask Richard Dawkins if you can be a Christian and an evolutionist. On this point, Dawkins and I are in complete agreement: there is no such thing.) But my point is this: Even though I don’t believe the two are compatible, I’d rather you believe it (evolution) and be a Christian than not be a Christian at all.

Eighth, now here’s where it gets rather technical. Michael Denton, certainly has not argued for a specific creationist point of view, and I don’t even know if he claims to be a Christian (I don’t think he is, and at any rate, I don’t believe that evolution and Christianity are at al compatible so even if he is a christian it is a ‘christian’. He doesn’t even argue that things are suited for specifically ‘our’ version of life, but rather what he calls an ‘advanced carbon-based humanlike or humanoid life.’ That’s encouraging.) Anyhow, he wrote a handsome volume called ‘Nature’s Destiny.’ I’d like to begin this inquiry by quoting from him and asking you to respond.

He writes, “There is simply no tolerance possible in the design of the celestian machine. For us to be here, it must be precisely as it is.” (14)

Denton also writes, “…both the Darwinian and the creationist worldviews are based on the same fundamental axion–that life is an unncessary and fundamentally contingent phenomenon. Where the creationist sees organism as the artifacts of God the supreme engineer, The Divine Watchmaker, Darwinists see them as the artifactual products of chance and selection.” (xviii)

OK, so I’d like to begin with how you would assess that statement. True or false. (PS–Denton has an earned Ph D in developmental biology from Kings College, London).

Well, that’s all for now friends. I appreciate your time and patience. I’m sorting through all of this. I’m trying hard to understand how I can be the product of a meaningless, random process and still have value, purpose, and a reason to wake up tomorrow. On the other hand, if I am created in the image of God…well, now that’s something else entirely and I’ll gladly wake up and enjoy each breath I take, and every fly that buzzes around my head, and every bee that crawls on my sunflowers. I might even enjoy my stupid dogs.

To end my thoughts, I’d like to post a passage from the Scripture that is simply amazing:

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:    2 “Who is this that darkens my counsel
       with words without knowledge?

    3 Brace yourself like a man;
       I will question you,
       and you shall answer me.

    4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
       Tell me, if you understand.

    5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
       Who stretched a measuring line across it?

    6 On what were its footings set,
       or who laid its cornerstone-

    7 while the morning stars sang together
       and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?

    8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
       when it burst forth from the womb,

    9 when I made the clouds its garment
       and wrapped it in thick darkness,

    10 when I fixed limits for it
       and set its doors and bars in place,

    11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
       here is where your proud waves halt’?

    12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
       or shown the dawn its place,

    13 that it might take the earth by the edges
       and shake the wicked out of it?

    14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
       its features stand out like those of a garment.

    15 The wicked are denied their light,
       and their upraised arm is broken.

    16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
       or walked in the recesses of the deep?

    17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
       Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death.

    18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
       Tell me, if you know all this.

    19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
       And where does darkness reside?

    20 Can you take them to their places?
       Do you know the paths to their dwellings?

    21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
       You have lived so many years!

    22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
       or seen the storehouses of the hail,

    23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
       for days of war and battle?

    24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
       or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?

    25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
       and a path for the thunderstorm,

    26 to water a land where no man lives,
       a desert with no one in it,

    27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
       and make it sprout with grass?

    28 Does the rain have a father?
       Who fathers the drops of dew?

    29 From whose womb comes the ice?
       Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens

    30 when the waters become hard as stone,
       when the surface of the deep is frozen?

    31 “Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades?
       Can you loose the cords of Orion?

    32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons 
       or lead out the Bear with its cubs?

    33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
       Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?

    34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
       and cover yourself with a flood of water?

    35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
       Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?

    36 Who endowed the heart with wisdom
       or gave understanding to the mind

    37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
       Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens

    38 when the dust becomes hard
       and the clods of earth stick together?

    39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
       and satisfy the hunger of the lions

    40 when they crouch in their dens
       or lie in wait in a thicket?

    41 Who provides food for the raven
       when its young cry out to God
       and wander about for lack of food?

6 thoughts on “To My Evolutionary Friends

  1. “why do you feel sorry for me? I’m the one with hope. I don’t really need your sympathy”

    For the same reason that you offered me your prayer – I don’t really want your prayers to your imaginary god, just like you don’t really want my well wishes for you to find rationalism and understanding. But we still give them anyway.

    There is really nothing to be gained from discussing the rest of the questions – my answers would be lost on you.

    Best of luck.

  2. And the first responses are in and just as I suspected, not one single answer! Just as I suspected, he took the easy way out by claiming that I am too senseless to understand his rhetoric. So damn typical. He won’t answer because he knows that he cannot. I even gave him a headstart by quoting from Denton. Too bad Dan. Once again you have proved you inability to explain your point of view.

    I do understand what you mean by ‘rationalism and understanding.’ What you mean is ‘humanism’ and ‘atheism.’ Just say it.

    ‘Luck!’ That’s exactly what an evolutionist would say: luck.

    jerry

  3. I think it’s important for Dan to read love. Not sarcasm. Not condemning material. Dan, it’s good for you to believe in something, even that of scientific, evolutionist material. The Bible says that God would prefer someone either “yessing” or “Nooo-ing” than someone who outright doesn’t care. You care. In God’s eyes, I believe, that means you have the passion that is needed in order for him to redirect your paths.

    But if you never do, we will love you anyway. Without sarcasm.

  4. Kellie,

    Thank you for your concern, but Dan and I go way back. We understand each other and the affection is mutual. Sarcasm, believe it or not, can be an effective rhetorical device when used for humor or to catch an opponent unaware (I actually have an essay in a Christian theological journal to prove it!). It can also be used to cut the flesh. Sometimes it is a necessary ally when combating ignorance and lies.

    thanks again,
    jerry

  5. Yes, this is true. In fact, I have been studying Job lately and God can doll it out. However, God WAS secure in Job’s faith. Either way, you’re right, I don’t know the whole story. But hey, once in awhile a little love reminder couldn’t hurt, right? God, Jesus, pure love…

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